Monday, March 19, 2007

Okay,junior

ACLAF's comments in italics

Respect is earned, not given. Shit head.

The new guard is the future, alienate us, including the girls, at your own peril.

Is that what we really want, another hate movement? Because if that's the way it's going to be, then count me and probably AFN out right here, right now.


It sounds like to me you are saying: "respect us and do as we say or we're out of here". Is that the gist of it? Since you are not good at answering questions put to you without throwing a fit like a kindergartener would I would guess you are demanding respect or else,which would make you a hypocrite.

You seem to have a habit of talking out of your ass,as in:

I shall have to apologize to Fred then! I read him often but I can and do miss personal details about people.
Fred, if you read this, I'm so sorry to have gotten your marital status wrong.

March 6, 2007 8:04 PM

So like a typical bitch you run off at the mouth without having the facts at hand. Yep,just like a feminist. You still are a feminist but you realize they are losing so you come here and since you were ordering them around that you would do the same thing here and get everybody to dance to your tune. Hasn't worked,has it? Nope,not at all.

So let me get this straight,while I was doing what I could for the cause for men you were still choosing which bubble gum to buy with your allowence then you are going to come and tell the veterans how to do this? I don't think so,son. Sit down and shut up,open your ears and eyes and you might learn something.

For the record I don't respect you or your cunt either.

I've posted on Young Buck's and Eternal Bachelor's forum,so they have a rough idea of where I'm coming from. However,Khankrumthebulgar knows me better than they do and their blogs are all listed on your blog front page.

I noticed you are now moderating the posts or just mine? I fucking dare you to post this,if not I will elsewhere. Your choice.

Who's turning on who exactly? I never said that I wouldn't post your little rant, I thought I'd save it for something just like this.

Actually you're the one turning on us,not with just one posting but two and with these two you discourage potential allies and I did tell you that response would be posted,if not on your blog then elsewhere and I meant it too.

Dear Sir,

Perhaps you'd care to explain why you have showed your open support for a mass-murderer? Just what do you hope to accomplish by staging a Marc Lépine style shooting of women?

Marc Lepine faced anti-male affirmative action at his college and basically had his back to wall along with other men. He saw affirmative action give preferences to women just because they had cunts. He saw a Parliment that didn't give a shit,a society that didn't give a shit and had no legal recourse and this was the pre-internet days so he couldn't start a blog to protest the injustice he experienced and chances are the old media was feminist controlled and censored critical information about it so chances are he saw little recourse but to take the action he took to show Parliment and society that it couldn't just shit on men and those men be ignored.

Is that not your profile in the image?

Actually the avatar I use for this blog is Al Pacino from Scarface.

By claiming Marc Lépine's image as your own, do you not express open admiration for his violent criminal actions?

Criminal or someone who's back was to the wall?

And then you expect that we should treat you like a friend, when you clearly want to style yourself as the next Hitler?

And you pattern yourself after Stalin by threatening to silence those who disagree with you so what gives you the right to jump my ass,hypocrite.

You are no friend to the MRM, you are a coward,

More of a friend than you are. Coward? I've done an excellent job in standing up to you and exposing your lying ass and that sir,would make you a LIAR.

and a woman-hater, and you have no place here.

Want to hear something ironic? It's been women who've agreed with me on being suspicious of women. So who's putting you up to your "pro-woman" attitude your wife? Or the other feminists?

I must draw your attention to an article written by well-known columnist, and men's rights advocate, Glenn Sacks. I do not know when the column first appeared, however it is entitled "Confronting Woman-Bashing in the Men's Movement." I have linked the article for your convenience.

I generally agree with Sacks except on this issue. However when he attacks feminists I agree with him. In fact I've told you that when you attack feminists I have no problem with it. Here,let me refresh your memory:

ACLAF,

I've read the responses you and FS have made to the feminasties and it is admirable that you are taken them on as I have done this many times,on that there is no disagreement.

March 17, 2007 12:40 AM

Source: here

It has become relatively common knowledge among the various people who read my blog, that you took issue with my argument in favor of being tolerant towards those women who choose to join the men's movement, and intolerant towards the sexist bigots who would oppose them.

I wonder how many men were put off by those two posts of yours and I'll bet you'll jump on those venting. Wait a minute did you say you have nothing against venting? Yes you did and here it is:

If you wanna vent, that's fine,

March 16, 2007 11:33 PM

But then you team up with FS,who basically played Captain save-a-ho by attacking a man who was venting which led me to ask(and I would like an answer):

Okay,the anonymous poster that FS jumped on was venting. Do you support his right to vent? Or do you support what FS did?

March 17, 2007 12:48 AM

You have accused me of being: an agent provocateur for feminists, a feminist in disguise, a mangina, a communist, a horse's ass, a bitch, a hypocrite, a feminist spy, a "sissyfuck," evil, an asshole, a fucking moron, and an idiot.

Yeah,and it still goes since you have done very little to dissuede me of it.

Given that this is largely based on what you perceive to be chivalry on my part,

Shoe fits,wear it. You've got two posts on your own blog that confirm this.

I must now challenge you to sufficiently address the character of Mr. Sacks and the article in question. I realize that his article is considerably less provocative than mine, but nonetheless, we overlap in our distaste for true misogyny, and true misogynists within the men's movement.

I've answered it.

I don't believe that you have the courage to openly attack Mr. Sacks.

I only disagree with him on this one issue,otherwise I would say continue fighting the good fight.

He has so rightly pointed out that you are nothing more than an ignorant woman basher,

And I've rightfully pointed out you're a pompous ass.

and no friend to men, or to the men's movement.

More of a friend than you are,junior.

He has warned you that such attitudes will likely prove disastrous, but while you attack us, you ignore him.

He's back his shit with action. All I've seen from you is rhetoric.

You have no integrity, you're nothing but misogynist coward, hiding behind an electronic curtain, unwilling to stand up for and say what you really believe in.

If you had been to my message board and read my postings you would know where I stand. Instead you wallow in ignorance and make foolish assumptions. But then again that is your style.

If you have such a problem with men choosing to admire women who join us in this struggle, then you can direct your bile at Glenn Sacks.

I have proven that my beliefs are with merit. Can you do the same with yours?

Your arguments are not only profoundly flawed

How? I've done an excellent job refuting you so they can't be that bad. Tell me something,when you were a (honest) feminist did you tell women to tone down misandry?

but are a disastrous defeatist strategy,

I don't see it that way.

they are also deeply unethical.

How's that? I don't owe women shit. In fact they owe men big time.

The best thing that you can do for the men's movement at this point is to leave and never return.

Tell you what,shit in one hand and wish for my abscense in another and see which one gets filled faster.

Furthermore, your victim-mentality is not only personally repulsive, it smacks of feminist indoctrination.

Well,you would know about feminist indoctrination since you are one,but I'll tackle it:

If a man is a victim of a woman or women is he not to be guaranteed justice and possible compensation? Is he not entitled to equal justice? Is he not entitled to equal protection?

Either prove us wrong, attack Glenn Sacks, or leave, now. We're better off without you.
Since you are far too cowardly to do the former, I expect you'll do the latter.


Well,it looks like you are 0-2 in predicting me.

5 comments:

A Canadian Liberal Against Feminism said...

But then you team up with FS,who basically played Captain save-a-ho by attacking a man who was venting which led me to ask(and I would like an answer):

Okay,the anonymous poster that FS jumped on was venting. Do you support his right to vent? Or do you support what FS did?

I'm going to assume that this is related to the anonymous poster at Fred X's blog.

I don't have to answer any of your questions, but I will answer this one by stating that I do not agree with your premise.

Were you the anonymous poster? Because if you were not then how can you know his state of mind?

I don't believe that the anonymous poster was "venting." There are plenty of spaces that will encourage the sort of "venting" that you are talking about, yet the poster chose to comment on FS's blog. If he so strongly needed to "vent" then why didn't he do so on Chris Key's forum, or your forum, why did he choose this one blog, out of the multitude of available spaces to air his dirty laundry?

He wasn't "venting" harmlessly at all.

It also occurs to me, that the poster may have been a clever femhag testing to see how we would respond to clear misogyny.

So unless you can somehow conjure up irrefutable proof that the poster was "venting," I do not accept your premise.

Masculist Man said...

I'm going to assume that this is related to the anonymous poster at Fred X's blog.

The only place I saw it posted was on FS's blog.

Were you the anonymous poster? Because if you were not then how can you know his state of mind?

No,I was not but they do sound like the words of an angry man who is justly fed up with the system.

I don't believe that the anonymous poster was "venting." There are plenty of spaces that will encourage the sort of "venting" that you are talking about, yet the poster chose to comment on FS's blog. If he so strongly needed to "vent" then why didn't he do so on Chris Key's forum, or your forum, why did he choose this one blog, out of the multitude of available spaces to air his dirty laundry?

I didn't read this in the comments section,I read this on the blog posting meaning only FS or another moderator there could have posted it there. Now unless anonymous poster has moderator status at FS's board only FS or another moderator could have put it there.So you are saying that this poster posted on Fred X's and FS's blogs? If so,please provide the links.
Why run with it? Why are you two going on and making a big deal out of this anonymous post and then running with it to show why you are not wanting to be seen as "misogynistic"? You must have known that that particular posting would alientate some,now wouldn't you? Is that your purpose here? To cause alienation and fragmentization?
I find it interesting that only you two are making a big deal about this and I find it interesting that you two are around the same age. Now,perhaps feminism runs amok throughout the commonwealth and you are indoctridated in it and are guilt tripped by anything resembling "misogyny" or perhaps it's like I said,you two are feminist spies/agent provaucateurs meant to stir up trouble and to hamper men from speaking out. The latter certainly appears to be the case.

It also occurs to me, that the poster may have been a clever femhag testing to see how we would respond to clear misogyny.

And what would that accomplish for them? That men are tired of their shit and won't treat them like the entitlement princesses they are anymore? Isn't that the message we want to get out? Yes,it is.

Or it could be like I said,a man venting? Can you disprove me?

I would like an answer to this question: When you were an (honest)feminist did you tell women to tone down misandry?

A Canadian Liberal Against Feminism said...

I was never a full fledged feminist. I was at best a sympathizer, and I never really associated very strongly with feminists.

What I mean by being a sympathizer is, that mostly, I really wanted to believe that feminists were simply out for equal rights with no anti-male ideas. I felt that a woman should be able to have access to an abortion if she wanted, and got rather uncomfortable when I'd see videos of women getting stoned to death, or shot in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

I never had a feminist blog, never posted on a feminist board, and never really talked to feminists at any length, not that I was even bothered to try. I had better things to do. And even then, they aren't so easy to find anymore, I suspect that they've become quite decadent, and some of the more extreme elements are getting all pissy about weak-feminists and feminism.

And even during this time, I did occasionally point out that women's only health clubs were counter to feminist ideas because they were clearly unfair.

So if you want to call me a former feminist, that's fine, but I don't see it that way, and even if I did, I certainly wasn't a very active one. I probably did the least amount of work for feminism that I possibly could.

So no, I never did tell them to tone down the misandry, but I also never talked to more than two at the same time.

Masculist Man said...

So no, I never did tell them to tone down the misandry, but I also never talked to more than two at the same time.

And of these two,did either of them display a misandric attitude?

A Canadian Liberal Against Feminism said...

No.

There was more misandry coming from non-feminist women, and I did tell them to tone it down.