Feminist scum said:
28 February 2007
Fuck off you twat
Women who "get it"
I just HAD to post this incredible nonsense posted by some Anonymous coward bad mouthing female anti feminists.
these women don't "get it"! what they actually realise is that feminism is about to backfire, and the want to cover their asses before its too late.what we men need to "get" is that these women are not coming into new information and having an awakening. the idea that feminism discriminates and has negative affects is something the have known all along. they are simply feigning ignorance to try to look innocent.ask yourself weather you truly believe these women could go so long through life and not know men were suffering. they new, and couldn't care less!most of these women are simply reading MRA sits and blogs and parroting mindlessly in a vain attempt to appear on our side, but sratch the surface and im sure you see self centered motives.these women should be barred from the movement! not only is it pointless to have a group of self motivated backstabbing harpies in our ranks, it also sets a bad standard for what we expect of women. is all these women have to do given the attrocities feminism has done,to be start a blog and copy past from MRA sites? are we going to demand nothing more? one of our problems as a movement is we haven't come to any agreement as to what is expected in recompence from women. sure we have a list of demands that would see a system made fair. but is all we ask of someone who puts a knife in our back that they take it out? are we all even if the knife is taken out?women need to show their sincerity by paying a fair price before they get to be viewed as partners in any form. and what we need to do is come up with a list of "prices" to pay, so that we can review the lives of these women and have a colective agreement as to what a fair price really is.
Piss off, Anonymous. Female anti feminists have almost nothing to gain from joining us. Femcunts and manginas have all of the power in society, and female anti feminists are going against peer pressure, shaming tactics and refusing to be sheep like the rest of society. You claim they have to prove their selves because they're women. Bullshit. I could easily be a mangina in disguise yet you demand nothing from the likes of me. That right there is unfair AND discrimination. Something you claim to hate about feminism. You also claim that they've known all along how bad feminism is, yet the likes of me are new to the movement, and I didn't know until recently how bad feminism was. So that point is crap too.I get no satisfaction from calling out a fellow anti feminists on bullshit, but this had to be done. But also, at the same time I get the feeling that this guy is actually either a femcunt or mangina posing as one of us to show how "sexist" we are. Either way, your comment was a load of shite regardless of who you are.
Posted by feminist_scum at 04:19 24 comments
Maybe I'm wrong but I've always felt that MRA sites were a safe haven for men to vent how they feel about women in today's society yet they are getting shouted down as though they were posting on a feminist board. Now if anonymous had posted on a feminist board this reaction would be understandable but on an MRA board? Why is this the case on an MRA board?
This brings up more questions: have they ever told women to tone down misandry? Have they ever done this to back up their "anti-sexism anti-hate" attitude or are they just trying to subdue us? Have they ever actually taken on the enemy (our enemy) in this war,whether through debate or other challenges?
I have and I've posted it here. What have feminist scum (fs) and aclaf done beside fuck with us? Those are the questions we should be asking.
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Masculist Man- in defence of Feminist Scum - and ACLAF - I will say that actually, they HAVE told women to shut their fucking mouths if they are being twats
Case in many points: these guys have posted comments to women who have come onto my blog, and have called them out when they've been ranting one of their feminist-spewed hate comments
I also think- like I've posted at CLAF's blog yesterday- that the misunderstanding is this:
You believe these guys are being chivalrous
I believe they are NOT
They want men AND women to become antifeminists/MRA's
That's all
I'll await your response on this, as this in-fighting is, when it boils down to it, counter-productive to our cause
Fred
Fred,
I want to reassure you that I would never do anything to hurt the masculist/MRA cause but these guys are basically making counterproductive statements and causing problems here. The women that come here should expect to hear some misogyny from men in their dealings with women and FS jumps the case of one such man for expressing his views. That is counterproductive to the cause.
If you are going to be an MRA then abandon chivilary,otherwise don't bother because that same chivilary can be used against you as I've seen it many times.
Personally- I don't believe in chivalry
Never have- never will
And in my view, after reading Feminist Scum and CLAF's past writings, don't view them to be chivalrous
It seems they were defending the viewpoint that women should be encouraged to become antifeminists
To me, it's as simple as that
I do think egos have been bruised and insults thrown, and from then-on this thing has spiralled out of control
I personally don't care about men who jump to defend women on the basis that they are women
This is the wrong stance to take in my book, and was common-place before feminism even got its claws into mainstream government/society
Chivalry put women first- men last
Feminism puts women first- men last
I still stand by what I said though- and that is I don't believe these guys are chivalrous and/or manginas
They have their own antifeminist blogs and have come over to mine to attack skank-whores for being misandric/twattish
I won't keep labouring this point, but I stand by my belief here
Also- I'd like to see you do a blog dedicated to men's rights, not one of this type
In-fighting will ruin our cause
And femcunts will be loving all this
And that's pretty much all I got to say about that
Fred
Fred,
If ACLAF and FS apologize for attacking other MEN for venting their anger at women,which is very legitimate and not attack these men then I would take that into consideration.
Would you also say that the above actions of ACLAF and FS are counterproductive? I would.
You say that ACLAF and FS have told women to tone down their misandry? Can you prove it with a link?
Men's rights blog? Nope,don't have one but I do have a Men's Rights Message Board.
In regards to FS and ACLAF taking issue with women who attack us men, they have done so at various times on my blog
I won't go dredging through every single article I've written, but I'll give you these 2 as an example:
http://fredxblog.blogspot.com/2007/02/valentines-day-eh.html
http://fredxblog.blogspot.com/2007/02/all-aboard-safety-bus-men-need-not_24.html
"If ACLAF and FS apologize for attacking other MEN for venting their anger at women,which is very legitimate and not attack these men then I would take that into consideration.
Would you also say that the above actions of ACLAF and FS are counterproductive? I would."
If you want an apology- you should take it up with them- I can't speak on their behalf
In fact- I was speaking up for them because they have always been good guys in my view, and I've never seen them act in a mangina-like way
Could you also elaborate on where you stand with female antifeminists?
My view: I want a united front against femcunts and manginas who shortchange men
And both men AND women should become antifeminists/activists
If you think women have NO place in our cause, then I think me and you are on different paths here
"Would you also say that the above actions of ACLAF and FS are counterproductive? I would."
If you're talking about dedicating posts to 'woman bashing' etc- then we can take this 1 of 2 ways:
a) To show that MRA's don't discriminate on gender alone
or b) To show that MRA's are pandering to women and want to please them, therefore 'defecting' from MRA to mangina
In the case of B- I actually wouldn't blame you if you see it like this- because, at first glance, it could look like simple pussy-pandering
But having 'known' these guys for a few months now- I merely see this as A
I personally wouldn't dedicate long articles or anything to condemn other MRA's- even if they were overly misogynist- because I can't blame men for being angry with a lot of Western women
Particularly ones who have been screwed over time-and-time again
Personally- I hate 95% of Western women due to their selfish traits and femcunt ways--- and I only like the rare, traditional woman who actually likes men and who opposes any form of feminist influence
They are rare- but they do exist
But what I do say is this:
Allies are allies- regardless of gender
And if you simply hate an ally because of gender- then I disagree
I WANT women to hate femcunts along with us- and I WANT men's rights brought up to the forefront in politics
And I actually think you should address these issues with ACLAF and FS- because I can only give you answers based on my opinions of them, having spoken to them for some months now- even via private chat
And ask yourself: if they were truly manginas- would they even want to talk to me of all people !!
LOL
And if you want to know any more about where I stand- ask me, and I'll tell you
Though I would think you'd know already
Fred
Just my two cents:
We need every available & willing body to join the ranks of our cause. I couldn't care less whether they're possessors of a penis or vagina - what matters is their willingness to help fight the good fight; to shovel some gravel; to put their money where their mouth is... as long as they do that, I'm happy. :)
Masc Man, you want to know where I stand? Read my blog thoroughly. I hate femcunts and manginas, and I defend people who are being screwed over wrongly regardless of what gender they are.
Fred, thanks for standing up for me man.
This will be my ONLY post on your blog. If you want to discuss anything more with me, you'll have to come to my blog. I will not be apologizing for any of my actions either.
Cheers.
If ACLAF and FS apologize for attacking other MEN for venting their anger at women,which is very legitimate and not attack these men then I would take that into consideration.
What you did was not venting your anger. You came to my blog looking for a fight.
I frequently indulge in what would be termed "woman-bashing" by feminists. You can see evidence of this here, here, here, here, and here.
You only see what you are choosing to see. I'm in favor of "venting," I even called it "imaginary misogyny," meaning the bullshit misogyny (might as well be all of reality) that femcunts see around them all the time.
You say that ACLAF and FS have told women to tone down their misandry? Can you prove it with a link?
I can. Here,
and here,
href= "http://fredxblog.blogspot.com/2007/02/mangina-speaks.html">here,
and
here.
Fred is absolutely right. I have no interest in chivalry; as far as I'm concerned, it's an outdated survival strategy, I've even said as much.
Do you really think that Fred (thanks by the way Fred)would devote this much time to vouching for us if he wasn't 100% convinced that we were very strongly anti-feminist?
I'm with feminist_scum all the way. I will not apologize for being against railroading those few women who have chosen to reject feminism and throw their support behind us.
You say we should bow down to women because that is tradition.
No, I don't believe this at all. There are a few who are worth helping, and when we find one who is willing to be our ally, then my view is that we can't afford to loose out on her. But for the most part women, especially North American women are hopeless.
You misunderstanding me is not my problem, especially when I will gladly answer honestly posed questions. You drew a conclusion about an ambiguous statement, when you could have asked for clarification, and I would have told you in no uncertain terms what I meant.
There are a few women who are worth it, but for the most part, especially as far as the Ameriskank breed goes, I believe my exact words were that they should be left to rot.
I have no sympathy for unrepentant feminazis. They've made their choice. But not all women have made the same choice, and if you believe that they have, then the femskanks have already managed to make you believe that feminism = women, which is something that they desperately want, because they can use that against you.
Would you also say that the above actions of ACLAF and FS are counterproductive? I would.
Standing up against injustice is counter-productive?
I'm not going to waste much more time on this. It's taken far too much time away from what I have been doing. If you want to carry on, by all means go ahead. In the end, you'll only have wasted time that you could have been using to fight feminism.
or b) To show that MRA's are pandering to women and want to please them, therefore 'defecting' from MRA to mangina
That's exactly how I see it,Fred because that is what they have done. Now,it's true that I don't know them as well as you however I have encountered many manginas on the net and these two sound just like them.
In the case of B- I actually wouldn't blame you if you see it like this- because, at first glance, it could look like simple pussy-pandering
Thank you,Fred,that is exactly how it looks.
I personally wouldn't dedicate long articles or anything to condemn other MRA's- even if they were overly misogynist- because I can't blame men for being angry with a lot of Western women
Particularly ones who have been screwed over time-and-time again
That is exactly what these guys have done and that is what I'm protesting. Isn't that what the anonymous poster did and wasn't it these guys who attacked him for expressing his views? Yes,it was.
Allies are allies- regardless of gender
And if you simply hate an ally because of gender- then I disagree
I stand by what I said about women in the movement because of what I have observed firsthand. Now,if this is a problem perhaps you should take it up with these females who have done these things.
In fact no MAN influenced how I see women,it was women who did this to themselves.
Masc Man, you want to know where I stand? Read my blog thoroughly. I hate femcunts and manginas, and I defend people who are being screwed over wrongly regardless of what gender they are.
And you attack men for speaking out against women by playing "captain save-a-ho" as that has been documented. Does reading the rest of your blog negate the fact that you wrote what you wrote? No,no it does not. Does it negate the fact that you attacked a potential ALLY? No,no it does not. It seems that I'm the only one seeing it from that angle. So basically you are throwing MEN away to entice WOMEN to become MRA's. Isn't that the antithesis of the MRA movement? Yes,it is.
This will be my ONLY post on your blog. If you want to discuss anything more with me, you'll have to come to my blog. I will not be apologizing for any of my actions either.
I don't apologize either as I have no reason to. I'm not the one who ATTACKED a fellow man for speaking out against women. Even your friend,Fred X said he wouldn't critisize him for speaking up yet you did just that,you attacked a potential ally and that is why I am suspicious of you and ACLAF.
No,this board is here for this discussion also it is UNMODERATED so my views will get posted as I like people to read them. Now if this is your only post here that is up to you.
Fred, thanks for standing up for me man.
Yes,he's the only one,isn't he?
What you did was not venting your anger. You came to my blog looking for a fight.
Have you read this ENTIRE blog? If you had you would notice that is NOT the case. A fight? You the one looking for one by what you said about us. You basically spit on the '90's anti-mangina old guard,you basically barged you way into our movement with an atitude of "respect us and get out of our way you old timers and kiss our asses. We are the new guard,get used to it" and then you basically expect us to roll over (or bend over) to your demands. No way,ain't going to happen.
I told you that response to your last post to me before you moderated was going to get posted somewhere,didn't I?
You only see what you are choosing to see. I'm in favor of "venting," I even called it "imaginary misogyny," meaning the bullshit misogyny (might as well be all of reality) that femcunts see around them all the time.
What I want to see? Did I misquote you? Did I take anything out of context? Did I distort your words or lie? Am I holding you up to false scrutiny and possible ridicule? Am I making up your words and making you look bad in a false light?
Would any guy trust you enough to vent on your blog after he reads how you like to play "captain save-a-ho"? Not just in one post but two? I would hesitate about venting there if I were them.
Do you really think that Fred (thanks by the way Fred)would devote this much time to vouching for us if he wasn't 100% convinced that we were very strongly anti-feminist?
Yes,he's the only one,isn't he? But then again you and FS said what you said and that has been documented here as well.
I'm with feminist_scum all the way. I will not apologize for being against railroading those few women who have chosen to reject feminism and throw their support behind us.
I'm not apologizing either. If you act like some pompous ass expect to get called on it,that's the way it is.
You misunderstanding me is not my problem, especially when I will gladly answer honestly posed questions. You drew a conclusion about an ambiguous statement, when you could have asked for clarification, and I would have told you in no uncertain terms what I meant.
Okay,so when you said you wanted to silence misogynists and I interpreted that to mean you wanted to silence misogynists. Is that a misinterpretation? When you gave the ULTIMATIUM to us to accept you and you wife or else I interpreted that to mean accept you and your wife or else. Is that another misinterpretation?
Standing up against injustice is counter-productive?
Don't you think that going against the misogynists is counter-productive? Don't you think that alienating other wounded men is counter-productive? I would think so.
Fighting feminism is what I do but I'm not convinced you're not one.
"When you gave the ULTIMATIUM to us to accept you and you wife or else I interpreted that to mean accept you and your wife or else. Is that another misinterpretation?"
Yes, and I will clarify. If you want a hate movement, YOU can leave, because I will not tolerate it. Hatred will do us no good at all. If you wanna vent, that's fine, but that's not the same thing as hatred.
"Don't you think that going against the misogynists is counter-productive?"
No, true misogyny is counter productive. Going after true misogynists is what's going to prevent this movement from failing miserably. Or had you developed some sort of invulnerability that I hadn't heard of? You've given the feminists more than enough ammo that they'll use to hurt us for years to come.
ACLAF,
I've read the responses you and FS have made to the feminasties and it is admirable that you are taken them on as I have done this many times,on that there is no disagreement.
However,attacking other men the way FS did and attacking misogynists by threatening to "silence them" could work in the feminasties favor. Did you stop to think of that? It's PC crap that you are piling on men. Women have very little to bitch about society because society affords them every luxury in the world but men on the other hand enjoy no such luxury. To turn against another brother during these times is just ludicrious.
I have not given feminists any ammo,I just posted what you did on this blog. I would have to say that your "silencing the misogynists" is more ammo to the feminists that anything I've done.
Yes, and I will clarify. If you want a hate movement, YOU can leave, because I will not tolerate it. Hatred will do us no good at all. If you wanna vent, that's fine, but that's not the same thing as hatred.
Me leave? Not a way. I've been in this movement longer than you so you have NO RIGHT throwing me out. I won't tolerate johnny-come-latelies telling me what to do. Again you come in here and push your weight around and acting like a pompous ass.
You say there is nothing wrong with venting? Okay,the anonymous poster that FS jumped on was venting. Do you support his right to vent? Or do you support what FS did?
Masculist Man- when you refer to me being the 'only one' speaking up for these guys, I get the impression you are taking issue with me
You got a problem with me?
Also- I spoke up for these guys because I believe they ARE MRA's
Now- my way and their way of dealing with commenters is different
But they are still good guys in my view
And also- like I said before, I can see why misunderstandings can happen here, and you know what- you have got the drive to make a blog in protest against what you see as injustice
SO-
Why haven't you made an MRA blog before?
Why would it take these guys for you to act now?
I think egos have been bruised- and the result is THIS
THIS right here
Anyway- if you got issues with FS and ACLAF- have them
I've said what I wanted to and where you all go from here is up to you
You got a problem with me?
No,Fred,I don't.
I'm merely pointing out that you are the only MRA speak out for these two. I don't mean this as an insult so please don't take it that way.
You acknowledge these two as "brothers in the cause" and speak up to defend them. That is actually quite noble,Fred because I would defend my brothers as well. I,however,have my doubts about these two.
And also- like I said before, I can see why misunderstandings can happen here, and you know what- you have got the drive to make a blog in protest against what you see as injustice
Yes,Fred,I do. I didn't want to do this but I felt backed into a corner so I came out fighting.
Why haven't you made an MRA blog before?
I have a message board to get the masculist message out. Blog or board? Doesn't matter as long as the message gets out.
I was a lone voice for a long time because I wanted to acknowledge the truth about feminazis while everyone else wanted to play nice with them. I warned people that this is a war we are in and that we better treat it that way to which I was called "paranoid" and "a looney". I got tired of one guy's board and his rules so I started my own board,to prove there is a militancy out there and it has legitimacy to it. I started attracting posters and found that there is a masculist militancy and if given a chance,will gain legitimacy. His board was in first place and it took him years to get there. My board was in second and I did this in a year whereas it took him years to accomplish.
Why would it take these guys for you to act now?
It's their arrogant attitude I have a problem with. I've been debating on the net for a long time now and have taken on a lot of opponents,this isn't the first time.
Anyway- if you got issues with FS and ACLAF- have them
They brought it upon themselves.
Glad you cleared some of my issues up there
In fact- as I've said all along- I can actually see how you could mistake the defence of female antifeminists with that of chivalry
In fact- we could call it a 'fine line'
And yes- I stood up for them because they are my comrades- better- brothers in arms
Now- what I will say is that whilst this thing got heated, I give credit where it's due, and say that at least you have got your own board, and, though I feel its misplaced, you did start a blog defending your core beliefs
All I can say is that, given time, you may come to see these guys in a better light
If you don't- I'd say that both parties (you - CLAF/FS) may as well just move seperate paths
I don't have all the answers- I just say what I feel needs saying, and I've done so
One of the biggest hurdles is in-fighting, and I really want the MM to progress, not crumble
Fred
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