A certain pack of cunts, Veteran, Old Guard, and the psychopath Masc Man seem to be under the illusion that I have some how "infiltrated" their movement. Bullshit. I am NOT, and NEVER have been an MRA. If you link to me, and you have a problem with it, you should take me off your link list.
When I first started thing blog, I actually came out and said I was NOT an MRA. I've actually told people like Fred X on MSN countless times I am not an MRA. What I am though, is just an anti feminist. I stick up for men AND women where I think they're being treated unfairly. The reason I may come across as an MRA is because I generally stick up for men more because men need it more because of shitty feminism.
If this makes me a mangina in your eyes, so be it. I'll call a cunt a cunt regardless of whether they're a man, a woman, an MRA or a femskank. Don't like it? Tough shit. I'm not changing my ways for any one, and I will always be pro female, and anti femcunts.
I thought I made this clear enough when I started this blog, but clearly not. I'm going to be adding this to my archives section for quick reference when people start crying at me.
Posted by feminist_scum at 03:29
There you have it,FS admits it. He's all over the place.
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FS,
Fairness? I've seen women take a dump on "fairness" and for those who have looked on this blog I have presented the evidence about you and ACLAF,your own posts and comments and nothing has been altered. I have not lied about anything.
I can name 4 female fuck-ups that have been posted on this blog for all to see and I have gained allies by posting this truth here.
You say you are merely "anti-feminist" yet I don't see you around just "anti-feminists" who are non-MRA's. No,in fact you do hang around MRA's and by doing so you must have known that that particular post would have an impact,particullarly among those of us that have seen the Emma's of the net in action and by seeing them do their damage we have formed the conclusions that we have and those conclusions are justified because they are based upon real life experiences. For you,ACLAF and AFN to push your way upon movement,demand that we change for you and say that our experiences are unjustified is asinine for who are you to say what is justified and what isn't? Were you there? No. So how can you make the statements you make?
On Emma's blog's comments area you basically implied that you would join forces with admitted misandric feminists to go after a genuine MRA.
Is that it? Am I right?
And if the answer is "yes" then how do you expect other MRA's to trust you when you will side with our enemies on a whim?
When you stated you were "pro female",are we to intrepret a bias upon your part to be more sympathithetic to females?
Why should MRA's trust you when you made an example of a man speaking out about the oppression against him by women?
If you expect an MRA to just bow down before women just so they'll talk to us then you obviously have no idea what an MRA is and what an MRA stands for.
Why do I advocate only for men? Because politicians,journalists and society advocate only for WOMEN. I don't need to be balanced with equal time,I AM EQUAL TIME.
For women to expect men to tone it down becaue it hurts her feelings is be very disengenous as she expects us to conform to what she wants then she reveals herself NOT to be an ally but a DESTROYER.
I've never heard of male feminists trying to tone down the misandry of their female counterparts,in fact they love it because they are under the delusion that men deserve it but if a man comes to the correct conclusion that it is women who have ruined his life and he is suspicious of women and posts it,then I'm sure you will come along and play your "captain save a ho" bullshit,attempting to invalidate his anger and slam him,which is your trackrecord.
Like I said,you,ACLAF and AFN associate with our movement,our movement didn't asscociate with you so demanding we change to suit you is not only very unwise but unmanly as well as it is only women (and manginas,who are very far from men) who try to change men.
Reaching out to women in some desperate attempt to gain attention is only going to draw the attention of the Emma's of the net and we've seen what happens there.
Look, I could reply to that bit by bit, and if you really want me to, I will. BUT, I'll just tackle one main point you made.
You claim you haven't lied about what I've said - ever. True. BUT, you have taken what I have said, and twisted it to fit your own agenda.
On Emma's blog's comments area you basically implied that you would join forces with admitted misandric feminists to go after a genuine MRA.
Classic twisting of my words. I actually said you are someone we should ALL hate. As in every person in the World. LOL. You do this a lot regarding me, and I could point out the rest. It wouldn't be hard. LMAO.
Actually what you said was:
If femcunts want to go after someone, go after this guy. He is a psychopath, and someone we should all hate.
Now when you said "we" I am under the impression that by "we" you are refering to you and the rest of the feminists should "hate" me for telling the truth and go after me. Not only that but you are telling feminists to go after me and then you try to tell MRA's that you are our friend. I don't believe it,dude. I've seen too much to contradict this and a few others have seen it from my point of view as well. I'm not telling people just to take my word for it that is why I post the source links so they can see for themselves. If they click on the source link and read from there and gain a negative opinion of you then that is hardly my fault.
I've done you the courteousy of answering your questions at least do me the same consideration.
Oh,BTW,your Popeye reference is quite incorrect. Popeye was a chivalaristic asshole under the spell of a woman. I am not.
It is about time you two made peace. You are both right and both wrong.
If you can not agree then, as men, you can agree to disagree. You are both intelligent men and I'm sure, you are aware that feminists will be laughing at this disagreement.
Whether you are MRA or anti feminist, the end goal is the same. Men are in deep shit and you are both needed to lift us out of this quagmire.
Unlike me, you both have enormous courage and talent. Do not waste it fighting each other.
PJ,
Have you read the entire blog?
I've done you the courteousy of answering your questions at least do me the same consideration.
Fine.
Fairness? I've seen women take a dump on "fairness" and for those who have looked on this blog I have presented the evidence about you and ACLAF,your own posts and comments and nothing has been altered. I have not lied about anything.
LOL, you thick cunt. You complain about lack of fairness from women - fair point - but then you discriminate against ANY woman who wants to join the MRM movement. Cunt. And yes, you can point to Emma and claim she made your point. But guess what dipshit? There have been MEN like Rudy who tried to really infiltrate the MRM movement you sack of shit.
I can name 4 female fuck-ups that have been posted on this blog for all to see and I have gained allies by posting this truth here.
Not even sure what you mean by this. So I can't even reply to it.
You say you are merely "anti-feminist" yet I don't see you around just "anti-feminists" who are non-MRA's. No,in fact you do hang around MRA's and by doing so you must have known that that particular post would have an impact,particullarly among those of us that have seen the Emma's of the net in action and by seeing them do their damage we have formed the conclusions that we have and those conclusions are justified because they are based upon real life experiences. For you,ACLAF and AFN to push your way upon movement,demand that we change for you and say that our experiences are unjustified is asinine for who are you to say what is justified and what isn't? Were you there? No. So how can you make the statements you make?
So because I'm not an MRA that means I can't link to some people who I agree with on A LOT of subjects? Yeah, that makes sense. Dip shit.
As for CLAF and AFN, well they can defend their selves. I haven't pushed my way in to ANYTHING. All I've done is open up my own blog, give my opinions, and post some some other people's blogs who I usually agree with.
As for your point about you seeing the likes of Emma before, well I answered that previously in this post..
On Emma's blog's comments area you basically implied that you would join forces with admitted misandric feminists to go after a genuine MRA.
Is that it? Am I right?
And if the answer is "yes" then how do you expect other MRA's to trust you when you will side with our enemies on a whim?
I didn't "imply" anything, and even if I did, which I didn't, I still think every one, and yes, even femcunts, should hate you. You're an ass hole. If it was up to me, I'd throw you and the femcunts in a pit and let you fight each other to the death, then I'd shoot the victor. Also, I don't give a shit if you're a genuine MRA or not. Hitler could have been an MRA for I could care, and he'd have still been an asshole.
When you stated you were "pro female",are we to intrepret a bias upon your part to be more sympathithetic to females?
Why should MRA's trust you when you made an example of a man speaking out about the oppression against him by women?
I encourage women to do their best to succeed in life fairly, that's what I meant by pro female. There's no bias either way. If I was biased, I'd be pro feminism, which I am not.
Why should MRAs trust me? Well I don't care if they do or not. MRAs can take me or leave me based on my actions. Most seem to have taken me, with a small minority of dipshits like you leaving me. But I'm happy with this, I'd rather be hated by gobshites like you than liked.
If you expect an MRA to just bow down before women just so they'll talk to us then you obviously have no idea what an MRA is and what an MRA stands for.
Um, no, I don't expect that. I'd at least expect MRAs to practice what they preach, and not be hypocritical cunts like you and shun away potential allies.
Why do I advocate only for men? Because politicians,journalists and society advocate only for WOMEN. I don't need to be balanced with equal time,I AM EQUAL TIME.
Well I fight for men more because we need it more, but I will not be a hypocrite and let some DECENT women be discriminated against by some cunts like you.
For women to expect men to tone it down becaue it hurts her feelings is be very disengenous as she expects us to conform to what she wants then she reveals herself NOT to be an ally but a DESTROYER.
Well I don't think women should expect MRAs/Anti feminists to tone it down. I don't tone it down at all myself. As for revealing herself to be a destroyer, well I've already answered that.
I've never heard of male feminists trying to tone down the misandry of their female counterparts,in fact they love it because they are under the delusion that men deserve it but if a man comes to the correct conclusion that it is women who have ruined his life and he is suspicious of women and posts it,then I'm sure you will come along and play your "captain save a ho" bullshit,attempting to invalidate his anger and slam him,which is your trackrecord.
I don't give a shit what male feminists do, and neither should you. I just tell them to fuck 'em selves, and send them on their way You CLAIM to be better than feminists, yet you go ahead and do things which are just as bad as what they do. You're no better than a black man who complains about the KKK, and then goes out of his way to kill white people.
Like I said,you,ACLAF and AFN associate with our movement,our movement didn't asscociate with you so demanding we change to suit you is not only very unwise but unmanly as well as it is only women (and manginas,who are very far from men) who try to change men.
First of all - it's NOT your movement. There's no real leader, and no one is in charge. I give my own opinions on my own blog, and people can take or leave them. It's pretty funny how you come across as say I can't tell others how to act, yet you, before you found out I was not an MRA, was telling me how to act. And don't give me no shit about being around for a while, I don't care. It doesn't make you higher than me, or some MRA new comer.
Reaching out to women in some desperate attempt to gain attention is only going to draw the attention of the Emma's of the net and we've seen what happens there.
I reach out to women to be anti feminists, because I love good women. I think it's a shame for both men and women to see women turned in to shit bags by feminism. And no, no it won't only draw attention to Emmas. I've had plenty of women on my blog praising me, ones who have proven to be good anti feminist allies. AFN is one of them. She was actually an anti feminist before her husband, and convinced him to be so too. Do I also have to talk about Erin Pizzey? She's an anti feminist. She fought for domestic shelters for men in the UK. I could state more. Men NEED women to also become anti feminists, other wise you are just going to have every one fighting each other. IN stead of fighting between men and women, we should be working with each other in an equally beneficial way.
I already answered your second post indirectly, so there's no point in me going on.
OH, and about Popeye, you are correct, BUT I was more making fun about you being old and smoking a pipe. I know he runs to the rescue of that skinny woman a lot.
pjanus, the guy is stalking me, LOL. And I got bored of him a while back, but he won't shut the fuck up. Fred X pretty much said as much on MSN to me as well. LMAO.
He's a psycho who thinks he's gonna run me away. Well I'm not going anywhere I'm afraid.
Funny he has Warren Farrel's book in his profile by the way. I almost agree with everything he says. LOL.
Masculist Man,
I have followed you, both, from the original falling out.
You have, both, become entrenched. Even if you win, by reasoned argument, you will have lost IE. men will lose.
You are better than this. Do what you do best and concentrate your talents where they are urgently needed.
Give each other the benefit of the doubt.
I disagree, he is NOT better than this. This is how pathetic he is. He wears this blog like a dunce cap, and seems proud of it at the same time. It's pretty funny.
If you two were to stop posting and allow yourselves a breathing space and time to think this through, this can be resolved.
I take it that you both agree that this disagreement is potentially ruinous.
If you can find it in yourselves to resolve this, agree to disagree, then you will have contributed to the cause. If not, then we all lose.
My view:
Masculist Man does, IMHO, act out on what he sees as injustice, i.e.- that FS is chivalrous, and thus no ally of the Men's Movement
Now- I can see where he is coming from-
Because dedicating posts to defending women/misogyny does put the emphasis back on women's rights again
And I do see MMan's point in being the 'alternative' to what we see in daily life: normalised misandry through the media/popular press
I have had disagreements AND agreements with FS on this via MSN- and I do think, with regards to MMan's other blog, that he does a good job at spreading awareness
On the other hand- I do know that FS is for equality, and does defend BOTH men and women
He doesn't categorise himself as an MRA- and maybe he isn't
He is an antifeminist though, and thus an ally IMO
And, credit due, he does highlight feminist bias and is 100% dead-against them
Personally, I don't think women will ever be the driving force of the Movement
There will be a minority, i.e. those affected (gandmothers on paternal side of custody/access etc) that side with men- because they are indirectly suffering from anti-male bias
But, by and large, it will be Western men who will be the driving force of the Men's Movement
That's not to say that some (rare) women should have a place, providing they are genuine AND have NO expectations of chivalry or pussy-pandering
But again, it will be MEN who fight this battle 99% of the time
I won't shun allies- men or women- but I am a realist, and know that because it's MEN who are targeted, the vast majority of the Men's Movement will be men themselves
And there's another aspect to consider:
If a man is angry with women, especially from never-ending personal experiences to do with getting shafted (custody/access/false rape reporting etc) and sometimes comes across as 'misogynist'- I wouldn't be quick to slam him
Men need to vent their anger and speak from the heart
In fact- the internet is the ONLY place men can let their voices be heard, as the rest of society is very quick to judge and peddle the feminazi shaming tactic tirade
Like I have said to FS on MSN- MMan is fixated with highlighting FS as an enemy of men, but he does this because he sees grounds for complaint
Likewise, FS takes issue with MMan's personal attacks on him so reacts accordingly
Like Pjanus noted- no one is 'right' per se here, only different
Well- that's what I reckon anyway !!
Take my advice as you will !!
Fred,
Can you clarify the following:
Feminist Scum said:
pjanus, the guy is stalking me, LOL. And I got bored of him a while back, but he won't shut the fuck up. Fred X pretty much said as much on MSN to me as well. LMAO.
April 11, 2007 11:23 AM
Fred X said:
Masculist Man does, IMHO, act out on what he sees as injustice, i.e.- that FS is chivalrous, and thus no ally of the Men's Movement
April 11, 2007 2:33 PM
Thanks for the kudos,PJ.
I've seen infiltration before and if I sat back and done nothing then it could be said that I assisted the enemy and I refuse to do that. I've seen the Emma's before and what destruction they can bring upon the movement. I won't sit by and watch it happen,especially since I believe in the men's movement and want to see it succeed and not be destroyed.
Masculist Man- clarify what?
If you are referring to the MSN chat I had with FS, I never used the term 'stalking'
I DID say you were fixated- like I've said in this thread- about what you see as injustice, i.e.- FS being no ally of men
This is true because you are passionate about this and have dedicated a blog on it
See my point?
And in regards to the other excerpt you highlighted- IMHO mean's In My Honest Opinion
Look- I think both of you are an asset to the Men's Movement- and I've had disagreements over this with FS even-
I even link to your other blog !
And his !
If you have issues with me, tell me, because I'm telling it straight like I always do
Fred
FS comments in italics
LOL, you thick cunt. You complain about lack of fairness from women - fair point - but then you discriminate against ANY woman who wants to join the MRM movement.
Why are you concerned with our movement if you claim not to be one of us? I have shown why I am suspicious.
I previouslly posted: I can name 4 female fuck-ups that have been posted on this blog for all to see and I have gained allies by posting this truth here.
Not even sure what you mean by this. So I can't even reply to it.
1.Sue
2.Julie
3.Bisquit Queen
4.Emma
As for CLAF and AFN, well they can defend their selves. I haven't pushed my way in to ANYTHING.
They are free to come here and refute what I'm saying just as you are.
You did push around a man who posted on another board and decided to make an example out of him for all to see. How do answer this?
I didn't "imply" anything, and even if I did, which I didn't, I still think every one, and yes, even femcunts, should hate you. You're an ass hole.
So you hate me worse than femicunts,is that it? I can see that especially considering I shine the light of truth upon you.
MRAs can take me or leave me based on my actions. Most seem to have taken me, with a small minority of dipshits like you leaving me. But I'm happy with this, I'd rather be hated by gobshites like you than liked.
That's because I've seen you take a man who had a legitimate complaint and dog him,that is the ACTION I saw and it is by that ACTION on your part that has me suspicious of you.
Um, no, I don't expect that. I'd at least expect MRAs to practice what they preach, and not be hypocritical cunts like you and shun away potential allies.
Like you did on jumping that one guy's case causing him not to see you as an ally. I don't blame him as I don't see you as an ally either.
Well I fight for men more because we need it more, but I will not be a hypocrite and let some DECENT women be discriminated against by some cunts like you.
I've pointed out why I think the way I do but I'll do again since you have poor comprehension skills: Women delight in fucking men over so why should I give a fuck about women? They are only concerned with themselves and fuck everybody else.
I don't give a shit what male feminists do, and neither should you. I just tell them to fuck 'em selves, and send them on their way You CLAIM to be better than feminists, yet you go ahead and do things which are just as bad as what they do. You're no better than a black man who complains about the KKK, and then goes out of his way to kill white people.
I believe what is good for the gandar is good for the goose.
First of all - it's NOT your movement. There's no real leader, and no one is in charge. I give my own opinions on my own blog, and people can take or leave them. It's pretty funny how you come across as say I can't tell others how to act, yet you, before you found out I was not an MRA, was telling me how to act. And don't give me no shit about being around for a while, I don't care. It doesn't make you higher than me, or some MRA new comer.
You took your time to explain that you are not an MRA. Why didn't you do it sooner?
Don't want to hear it? Fine,cover your ears and blow it out of your ass because yes,I was here before you and I don't like being disrespected by you,ACLAF and AFN and I'm sure a lot of old timers feel that way.
OH, and about Popeye, you are correct, BUT I was more making fun about you being old and smoking a pipe. I know he runs to the rescue of that skinny woman a lot.
I'm not that old,I don't smoke and I don't chase Olive Oyl so the Popeye reference doesn't apply to me.
Fred,
Thank you for clarifying. FS did give me the impression that you did call me a stalker.
Masculist Man-
There is a difference between being passionate and actual stalking
Like I've said to you- AND to FS on MSN- I can actually see the points you make !!
LOL
And I actually think you've got a lot of good stuff to say
The only area I have an issue with is the fact that I am on good terms with FS, and I wouldn't be much of a man if I didn't step in when I see comrades at each others throats
I technically didn't have to be a part of all this- but I will always confront issues when I see fit
And also- that Emma, Biscuit Queen and co. are worthless
I would never link to them and have zero respect for them too
MRA's have to earn my respect before I'd link to them, and those pathetic cunts have NOT gained mine
Final note- do you have a problem with me?
And also- whilst I would like this in-fighting to stop, I get the feeling it won't- because a lot of buttons have been pushed, and things said that have pissed the both of you off
And the thing is- I know exactly where both sides are coming from- and it's a fucking shame it's come to this
Masc Man, if you want me to reply to that latest post, I will, but this really is a fucking bore. But as of right now there are more important things to worry about.
Fred didn't use the word stalking, it's what just came to mind at the time. He said you're fixated on me or something like that, and well that isn't too different, especially when you're on my blog constantly picking apart every little thing I say. LMAO.
Fred, like I said to you on MSN last night. If Masc Man wants to stop, I'll leave it at that. I got bored over this over a month ago, and he needs to let it go.
masculist man,
You can be right about everything and still be wrong.
What I am trying to say is that, this dispute, is more damaging than any perceived threat because there is no end to it.
You have to chose what is more important to you. This dispute or the movement?
Before you answer I would ask you to, honestly, reconsider your tactics and motive. To do this you will have to disregard all recent events and think back to the cause of the original disagreement.
As fred x says....it's a shame that it's come to this.
PJ,
Of course the movement is very important to me and I do want it to succeed.
FS,
Publically apolgize to the anonymous poster you blasted,publically apologize to the anti-mangina old guard and cut out the misandry and I'll let you go.
What do you say?
masculist man,
In view of your replies, I apologise for intruding into your dispute, and leave you to it.
Not a problem PJ as you are free to weigh in on this.
I believe you may like my other blog better.
Masculist Man-
I would like you to respond to the points I put to you please
And also- I am 100% behind what Pjanus said on this issue too
The both of you are assets to the Movement- problem is- neither of you can see it
Fred
Erm, no, I won't apologize. LMAO. Keep it up. I'll just go back to ignoring you after this post for all I care. I stand by what I did, I stuck up for unfairness. Cut out the misandry? That's the most hilariously hypocritical things I've ever heard.
Erm, no, I won't apologize. LMAO. Keep it up. I'll just go back to ignoring you after this post for all I care. I stand by what I did, I stuck up for unfairness. Cut out the misandry? That's the most hilariously hypocritical things I've ever heard.
I've given you a way out and you refused it and let that be on you.
Unfairness? You practiced it.
Masculist Man- you ignoring me tells me you have an issue
I've respected your questions to me- I'd expect the same back
Fred
Fred,
I saw your post but wasn't sure whom you were responding to.
What issue are you refering to?
Masculist Man- I got the impression you were ignoring me
I also want to know if you have an issue with me- since I consider FS an ally
Personally- like I've said elsewhere- you BOTH have a lot to offer- and I think it's a fucking shame this has happened
Fred
It's the 17th of April and still no reply.
It's the 17th of April and still no reply.
Reply for what?
Quote from me on April 13th:
Masculist Man- I got the impression you were ignoring me
I also want to know if you have an issue with me- since I consider FS an ally
Am I blunt?
I have to be- its the only way I ever get answers from anybody
Fred,
You consider FS an ally and I don't. That hasn't changed.
Am I blunt?
I have to be- its the only way I ever get answers from anybody
I had no idea the conversation was continuing,Fred. If you had asked a question I would have answered it but your last post was a statement and a statement can stand on its own without a reply. You said that it's a shame that it is this way and I took this into consideration and tried to put this matter between FS and myself behind us however when I tried to settle the matter FS basically spit in my face. I tried,Fred but FS is the one who is being unreasonable.
Masculist Man, on April 12, 2007 1:09am, I said:
Final note- do you have a problem with me?
I also made a statement afterwards, but it was an enquiry without an explicit 'question mark' symbol- hence why this may have been 'ambigious' to some degree
In any case- you have made your stance clear, and I still think its a shame this has happened
I doubt either of you will ever move forward on this
Can't say I didn't try !
Damn- I hate infighting
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